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—pposed to know when to start speaking? That wasn't a very thorough explanation on what I'm to do this, now was it? Hello? Hello? Are you listening to me? Are you even still ther— [beep] |
—pposed to know when to start speaking? That wasn't a very thorough explanation on what I'm to do this, now was it? Hello? Hello? Are you listening to me? Are you even still ther— [beep] |
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Date: 2020-02-19 09:30 am (UTC)I see... I think. There are some elements that still seem a bit like magic to me, albeit utilized in a very different way. Are you certain you have no interest in magic?
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Date: 2020-02-19 04:22 pm (UTC)... It isn't fair to call it disinterest per se. It's more that it's an exercise in frustration for me. For instance - can you explain to me how this globule is staying together?
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Date: 2020-02-19 05:01 pm (UTC)There is the barest of an abjuration ward around it, held in place by what is, at this point, instinctual concentration.
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Date: 2020-02-19 07:00 pm (UTC)All right. But what exactly constitutes a ward, generally speaking? And what's meant by "abjuration" here? This may be going out on a limb, but I doubt the water has anything much to recant.
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Date: 2020-02-19 09:08 pm (UTC)No no, abjuration as in a protective shield -- or in this case, a barrier that keeps something inside rather than out. Abjuration magic can be used either way. The glyph on your door is an abjuration ward, though a very different one.
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Date: 2020-02-19 09:55 pm (UTC)So in effect, it's roughly analogous to a force field? Like this one?
[ He indicates the personal shield generator on his belt. Jury's still out on what precisely it does and doesn't do, but it almost definitely saved his bacon from Kabal a couple weeks back. ]
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Date: 2020-02-19 09:57 pm (UTC)[You know who is happy he gave that thing to Qubit? This guy right here. It's maybe the one thing he doesn't regret at this point in his (un)life.]
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Date: 2020-02-21 02:13 am (UTC)Right, right, obviously. [ He'd have figured it was weaker than that in any case, but the fact that it's leaving his hands damp is also pretty firm evidence. ] So you're maintaining the field through continuous application of eksth'alva. It's an expenditure of energy, in other words. But where does that energy come from?
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Date: 2020-02-21 02:17 am (UTC)Do you want the long answer, or the short one?
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Date: 2020-02-21 06:31 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-02-21 07:08 am (UTC)[He pulls out bags of what is likely tea, as well as a small jar of sap.]
The energy comes from within us. Some say it is our very souls that we tap into as magical energy, while others insist it must be a divine connection, though I put little stock in the latter myself, given there are plenty of mages with no religious devotion to speak of.
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Date: 2020-02-21 05:37 pm (UTC)And if memory serves, you were already doing magic before you joined the priesthood, right? [ He tips the waterball gently into the kettle, and wipes his hands dry on his shirt before plugging it in. ] It sounds more apt to Reynir's sort of magic, actually. Not that either option is provable one way or the other.
[ Obviously you can't prove or disprove the existence of God, but the other choice isn't that much easier. After all, how do you quantify the soul? How do you prove its existence, or even define it? When Kaidan calls forth her spirits, are they actually the people they were in life, or merely psychic echoes preserved in the collective unconscious? Is there even a difference?
(Let's just file that one under "questions to never, ever ask Kaidan.") ]
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Date: 2020-02-21 10:37 pm (UTC)How is it your ability works, then? You called it psionics, but never did explain how they differ from magic, aside from that their manifestation varies from individual to individual.
[Qubit getting attacked by a zombie and simultaneously hit with some of Carlisle's aural influence kind of derailed that conversation.]
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Date: 2020-02-22 10:24 pm (UTC)Anyway, psionics. This is a topic of great interest to Qubit, obviously, but spoiler alert, there's gonna be more science. ]
Do you want the long or short version?
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Date: 2020-02-22 11:15 pm (UTC)Let us start with the short version.
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Date: 2020-02-23 03:07 am (UTC)Short version: "Psionics," as a field of study, describes the ways in which conscious minds can directly interact with matter, energy, and force. It differs from magic in that it's both universally consistent and empirically verifiable.
[ And it differs from "The Secret" in that it's not just New Age bullshit. ]
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Date: 2020-02-23 03:58 am (UTC)How is it consistent when the abilities vary between individuals? Or are there more technomancers in your world?
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Date: 2020-02-24 04:30 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-02-24 06:12 pm (UTC)And you believe magic cannot be explained in the same way?
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Date: 2020-02-24 10:00 pm (UTC)[ He's growing more animated, starting to talk with his hands. Apparently this is something he's put a lot of thought into over the years. ]
The thing about magic is, it can't be defined by what it is - only what it's not. Let's take the glyphs you drew in the supermarket way back when, for instance. They produced enough energy to reduce several dozen zombies to ash, but how? All you used was ordinary chalk, CaCO3. Inert at room temperature, electrical insulator, no psionic properties whatsoever. Nothing about the pattern you drew should have conducted any kind of energy. Or - the one you just carved into my door. The material of the door is unchanged, the glyph itself is literally made of nothing -
[ He catches himself rambling, pauses to dial it back. ] It's just the pattern, right? The only thing that changes a glyph's functionality is the pattern of lines and shapes. Its position, the materials it's made of - none of that matters.
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Date: 2020-02-24 10:14 pm (UTC)You do have a point, though the glyph doesn't produce the energy. The glyph reacts to the energy contained within it as dictated by those patterns and shapes, as well as any inscription one may put here.
[He points to the page beneath the mug, specifically to a space between the two largest circles where he's scrawled what appears to be a sentence in what could be more magical symbols, but they're likely just another language.]
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Date: 2020-02-25 03:17 am (UTC)Hm. Sort of like a digital circuit.
[ He honestly hadn't thought of it that way before. Hardwired logic in the lines, a "program" of sorts in the margin... but it's still magic, he recalls, before he can get too caught up in speculation. It's interesting, sure, but that's beside the point. ]
However. A glyph has no physical reservoir where energy is stored. The energy itself comes from your soul, which is a whole other can of worms. And there's input, but no interpreter to parse it.
What I'm getting at is, a glyph is essentially a metaphysical construct. Its effects may be concrete and observable, even measurable - but the principles behind them are not. And, I'm reluctantly forced to postulate, cannot be.
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Date: 2020-02-25 03:30 am (UTC)Just because you cannot observe the principles behind something does not mean there are not ways to observe them. Perhaps we simply haven't discovered them yet. Something may work without either of us knowing how.
[Says the walking conundrum.]
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Date: 2020-02-25 05:53 pm (UTC)[ He taps his finger on the table a few times, debating how to phrase it. ]
... For practical purposes, I have to accept - at least until I can prove otherwise - that some phenomena are real without being explicable by any science known to man. Which flies in the face of virtually everything else I believe in, but -
[ He lets out a sigh, frustrated. He'd love it if unraveling the mysteries of existence were the only thing on his plate. But he's lived that way before, and there's really no going back to it. Not without losing sight of what truly matters. ]
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Date: 2020-02-25 10:46 pm (UTC)But we must accept, however difficult it may be, that there are some phenomena we simply can't explain, even if for a time. Did you know from birth there were other worlds out there, and that you could travel to them? Did you emerge from the womb knowing about these psionics and how they operate?
[He doesn't really mean for those questions to be answered, and so he continues:]
There is no shame in not knowing everything, Mister Qubit. You're still likely the smartest person I know.
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