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—pposed to know when to start speaking? That wasn't a very thorough explanation on what I'm to do this, now was it? Hello? Hello? Are you listening to me? Are you even still ther—

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Date: 2020-02-19 04:22 pm (UTC)
superposition: ((what are we talking about?))
From: [personal profile] superposition
[ Qubit's brow crinkles, perplexed. How, he wonders, does any of this sound like magic? Does that just mean he failed to explain it properly? Okay yeah he's definitely going to get Carlisle a copy of those lectures. ]

... It isn't fair to call it disinterest per se. It's more that it's an exercise in frustration for me. For instance - can you explain to me how this globule is staying together?
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Date: 2020-02-19 07:00 pm (UTC)
superposition: (And why?)
From: [personal profile] superposition
[ Naw, Carlisle, you can still sleep! You're just godawful at it. ]

All right. But what exactly constitutes a ward, generally speaking? And what's meant by "abjuration" here? This may be going out on a limb, but I doubt the water has anything much to recant.
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Date: 2020-02-19 09:55 pm (UTC)
superposition: ((walk between worlds))
From: [personal profile] superposition
[ Qubit nods attentively, starting to draw parallels to things he's more familiar with. ]

So in effect, it's roughly analogous to a force field? Like this one?

[ He indicates the personal shield generator on his belt. Jury's still out on what precisely it does and doesn't do, but it almost definitely saved his bacon from Kabal a couple weeks back. ]
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Date: 2020-02-21 02:13 am (UTC)
superposition: (So what difference does it make?)
From: [personal profile] superposition
[ You know who else is happy he gave that thing to Qubit? Qubit! ]

Right, right, obviously. [ He'd have figured it was weaker than that in any case, but the fact that it's leaving his hands damp is also pretty firm evidence. ] So you're maintaining the field through continuous application of eksth'alva. It's an expenditure of energy, in other words. But where does that energy come from?
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Date: 2020-02-21 06:31 am (UTC)
superposition: ((tight-lipped))
From: [personal profile] superposition
Yes. Not necessarily in that order.
Edited Date: 2020-02-21 06:44 am (UTC)
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Date: 2020-02-21 05:37 pm (UTC)
superposition: ((walk between worlds))
From: [personal profile] superposition
[ Qubit notes the little jar with mild interest. That stuff, huh? He's had it before, it's not half bad, he just wasn't expecting it. He nods, though. ]

And if memory serves, you were already doing magic before you joined the priesthood, right? [ He tips the waterball gently into the kettle, and wipes his hands dry on his shirt before plugging it in. ] It sounds more apt to Reynir's sort of magic, actually. Not that either option is provable one way or the other.

[ Obviously you can't prove or disprove the existence of God, but the other choice isn't that much easier. After all, how do you quantify the soul? How do you prove its existence, or even define it? When Kaidan calls forth her spirits, are they actually the people they were in life, or merely psychic echoes preserved in the collective unconscious? Is there even a difference?

(Let's just file that one under "questions to never, ever ask Kaidan.") ]
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Date: 2020-02-22 10:24 pm (UTC)
superposition: (I think I can rely on you)
From: [personal profile] superposition
[ Qubit watches the glyphcrafting process, curious. He conjured up the water easily enough without a glyph, so what's he doing now that would require one?

Anyway, psionics. This is a topic of great interest to Qubit, obviously, but spoiler alert, there's gonna be more science. ]


Do you want the long or short version?
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Date: 2020-02-23 03:07 am (UTC)
superposition: ((the implications))
From: [personal profile] superposition
All right, let's see. [ He puts a hand to his chin for a moment, thinking over how to phrase this. There are some pretty advanced concepts involved, and even the simplest analogy that comes to mind is above Carlisle's current grasp of physics. So... perhaps a more philosophical approach? He'll try to keep it light on the math, anyway. ]

Short version: "Psionics," as a field of study, describes the ways in which conscious minds can directly interact with matter, energy, and force. It differs from magic in that it's both universally consistent and empirically verifiable.

[ And it differs from "The Secret" in that it's not just New Age bullshit. ]
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Date: 2020-02-24 04:30 pm (UTC)
superposition: ((explain you a thing))
From: [personal profile] superposition
"Technokinetics," and no, not that I'm aware of. But - understand, that's like asking how chemistry can be consistent when acids and bases have different properties. Chemical phenomena are extremely diverse, but they're all explained by the same underlying forces. It's the same way with psionics.
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Date: 2020-02-24 10:00 pm (UTC)
superposition: (But now you know the truth about me)
From: [personal profile] superposition
That's just it. If it can, then by definition, it's not magic.

[ He's growing more animated, starting to talk with his hands. Apparently this is something he's put a lot of thought into over the years. ]

The thing about magic is, it can't be defined by what it is - only what it's not. Let's take the glyphs you drew in the supermarket way back when, for instance. They produced enough energy to reduce several dozen zombies to ash, but how? All you used was ordinary chalk, CaCO3. Inert at room temperature, electrical insulator, no psionic properties whatsoever. Nothing about the pattern you drew should have conducted any kind of energy. Or - the one you just carved into my door. The material of the door is unchanged, the glyph itself is literally made of nothing -

[ He catches himself rambling, pauses to dial it back. ] It's just the pattern, right? The only thing that changes a glyph's functionality is the pattern of lines and shapes. Its position, the materials it's made of - none of that matters.
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Date: 2020-02-25 03:17 am (UTC)
superposition: ((you're not the boss of me))
From: [personal profile] superposition
[ Qubit tilts his head sideways to inspect the symbols. Arcane sigils, a foreign language - either way, it's Greek to him. But he gets the concept, essentially, and he nods. ]

Hm. Sort of like a digital circuit.

[ He honestly hadn't thought of it that way before. Hardwired logic in the lines, a "program" of sorts in the margin... but it's still magic, he recalls, before he can get too caught up in speculation. It's interesting, sure, but that's beside the point. ]

However. A glyph has no physical reservoir where energy is stored. The energy itself comes from your soul, which is a whole other can of worms. And there's input, but no interpreter to parse it.

What I'm getting at is, a glyph is essentially a metaphysical construct. Its effects may be concrete and observable, even measurable - but the principles behind them are not. And, I'm reluctantly forced to postulate, cannot be.
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Date: 2020-02-25 05:53 pm (UTC)
superposition: ((crossed arms))
From: [personal profile] superposition
Oh, of course. Naturally. I'm not at all trying to say "everything I don't understand yet is magic." If there is some sixth or seventh fundamental interaction that ties it all together, then by all means, I'd love to be the one to discover it. It's just ...

[ He taps his finger on the table a few times, debating how to phrase it. ]

... For practical purposes, I have to accept - at least until I can prove otherwise - that some phenomena are real without being explicable by any science known to man. Which flies in the face of virtually everything else I believe in, but -

[ He lets out a sigh, frustrated. He'd love it if unraveling the mysteries of existence were the only thing on his plate. But he's lived that way before, and there's really no going back to it. Not without losing sight of what truly matters. ]
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